I discussed the use of Fludrocortisone as a CFS treatment in a blog entry found here: https://livingwithchronicfatiguesyndrome.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/fludrocortisone-for-cfs/ I have now been on Fludrocortisone for 2 ½ months. I have been taking 0.1mg of Fludrocortisone twice a day.
The Effects Fludrocortisone has had on me
Fludrocortisone has had one minor positive effect on me- My ‘crashing’ has become less severe. The word ‘crashing’ is often interchanged haphazardly with the term ‘post-exertional malaise.’ In a previous blog entry I discussed the misnomer that is ‘post-exertional malaise’ and how the term ‘crashing’ is a more appropriate, albeit slang description of this ME/CFS symptomatic phenomenon. This blog entry can be found here: https://livingwithchronicfatiguesyndrome.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/how-to-gain-relief-from-%E2%80%98post-exertional-malaise%E2%80%99/
In the above blog entry, I also detailed my limits as:
- “Not being able to be out of my bed for more than an hour a day.
- Not being able to talk too much. It takes a lot of energy for me to talk and I can only say about 200 words in an entire day. This is equivalent to you reading about 2 paragraphs out loud and then not being able to speak for the rest of the day
- Not being able to walk very far. My limit is 100metres (or about 1 minute.) Some days my limit is less as I may go to my letterbox and back and then ‘crash.’
- I cannot tolerate much stimulus.
- My ability to cope with stress is impaired, so I purposely try as hard as possible to avoid conflict around the house.
- I am not able to think too much. For instance if I played a game of chess I would definitely ‘crash.’
- I’m unable to leave my house for long. If I have been driven away from my house and spend 30 minutes in the car before returning to my house, I will ‘crash.’”
Since taking Fludrocortisone, these limits have remained static however the intensity of the ‘crash,’ consequential of exceeding these limits has been reduced. Within the same ‘Post-exertional malaise’ blog entry, I described the severity of my ‘crashing.’ I wrote that
“This concept of crashing is difficult to convey to someone who hasn’t experienced it. As my CFS has progressed from mild to moderate to severe, the severity of my crashing has also increased proportionally. If I go outside just one of the limits mentioned above I will crash. For me at the moment crashing involves lying in bed for up to 2 weeks. I feel like I am a vegetable and am unable to role onto my back. I lie on my side and every few minutes spit mucus into a bin. I am unable to talk at all as my body has been draining of the little energy I had. The pain of crashing is like no pain I have ever experienced before. Prior to CFS I had only moaned in pain on 2 or 3 separate occasions when I was ill. When I crash I moan in pain for days on end and my body just feels like it’s begging for mercy. My cognitive abilities are also severely affected when I crash and if I was asked what 2+2 equals, I wouldn’t be able to tell you as my mind shuts down. This crashing lasts from several days to several weeks if I go outside just one of the limits mentioned above in the above ‘limits’ paragraph.”
Fludrocortisone has reduced the severity of my ‘crashing’ by approximately 15%. When I reach a ‘crashed’ state, I will now be in slightly less pain than prior to my Fludrocortisone treatment. My ‘crashed’ state will now also be of a slightly shorter duration (on average) than pre Fludrocortisone treatment.
The remainder of my symptoms have remained unaffected by Fludrocortisone. Despite this, I am pleased that one of my most severe and debilitating symptoms, ‘crashing’ has reduced in intensity and length. This reduction is minor and I am still in a quasi-vegetable like state for several days when I have ‘crashed.’
In a blog post prior to my Fludrocortisone treatment protocol, I speculated that Fludrocortisone may have an effect on me due to “Liquorice helping me when I am in a crashed state (and) liquorice root having a similar mechanism of action as Fludrocortisone.” When I took liquorice root prior to beginning the Fludrocortisone treatment, my ‘crashing’ experienced a mild reduction in intensity. It appears that Fludrocortisone has had this same effect on me due to its similar mechanism of action as liquorice root.
Side effects of Fludrocortisone
I have not experienced any significant side effects while taking Fludrocortisone. I had a blood test two weeks ago and my electrolyte levels have remained normal despite taking the Fludrocortisone (I have been taking a potassium supplement, salt tablets and a slightly increased fluid intake accompanying the Fludrocortisone treatment.)
Conclusion
I will continue to take the Fludrocortisone and although it has only had a minor positive effect on my ME/CFS, I believe this effect warrants a continuation of this treatment. In 3 months time I will again reassess the Fludrocortisone treatment.
Low Dose Naltrexone
Two months ago, I wrote a blog entry explaining that I had ceased the Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) treatment due to its lack of effects.
After six months of LDN, I had not experienced any significant side effects and equally I did not believe that I had experienced any benefits from this treatment. After thwarting the LDN, the quality and length of my sleep began to diminish. After three weeks of this disturbed sleep, I restarted the LDN. After restarting the LDN, my sleep patterns were immediately rectified. During the six month course of LDN, although I didn’t notice it having a positive effect in terms of aiding my sleep quality or length, it may have been having a gradual effect in these areas. In other words, although I didn’t notice LDN providing an instantaneous or short term benefit, it may have been aiding my sleep quality and quantity when the six month treatment trial was analysed holistically. Another possibility is that my sleep quality and quantity may have deteriorated independently of the LDN during this six month period and the LDN maintained my high sleep quantity and quality level. A final possibility is that my body became accustomed to LDN’s mechanism of action and the three week period of diminished sleep quality and quantity was due to my body’s inability to adapt to this treatment change. Consequentially, I may have eventually retaining baseline levels of sleep quality and quantity once my body had adapted to the lack of LDN.
Conclusion
Gaining quality and plentiful sleep is regarded by many ME/CFS specialists as a prerequisite treatment for ME/CFS. I did not wish to experiment to determine the precise reason for my impaired sleep quality and quantity consequential of ceasing the LDN treatment. Due to this reason, I restarted the LDN treatment again. I will continue this treatment for an indefinite period.
I have been following your blog for a while but I think this is the first time I have commented. I’m really pleased that you found a couple of things that might help reduce the discomfort; I have heard a lot about LDN and if it helps with your sleep that’s fab! My sleep is a little off at the mo so going to investigate!!
Hey Kitty, thanks for the comment 🙂
I’m very happy that some things are having an effect, even if that effect is mild! I believe that I have tried close to 200 different treatments since my ME/CFS onset and these are the first treatments to have any positive effect. Wishing you luck with your ME/CFS and gaining improved sleep.
HI 🙂 I just found your blog,
I’ve had CFS for the past ten years. I started on fludrocortisone after listening to a lecture by Dr Bell this past spring when he came to my nearby city and spoke to the research/health community. Your notes are very clear. My brain is not always and I just go with what I can get out. I’ve tried a lot of other things, some zany and desperate. I am very pleased with the effects of the fludro. right now and have felt the most “normal”, well, not so ready to pass out and crash…then I have in a long time.
also have fibromyalgia which is not the same as CFS. I should know, lol. anyway nice to “meet” you.
best to you.
Hi, are you still on fludrocortisone today. Hope things are not too bad with you
Hey! I stopped the Fludrocortisone eventually as I felt like its effects on my ‘crashed’ state started to diminish. The only prescription treatment that I’ve been on long term (and am still on to this day) is Low Dose Naltrexone.
All the best 🙂
Hi, how are you doing on LDN? If so, what dose best suits you?
Hey Nick! I am still taking the LDN to this day at the dosage of 1.5mg. I get mine from The Green Dispensary in Adelaide and it comes in 1.5mg capsules. It can be fairly expensive but it comes premade. A cheaper alternative is to convert a 50mg tablet of naltrexone into LDN although this is slightly more laborious. I haven’t noted any difference in the various doses up to the maximum I’ve tried which is 4.5mg. Personally I tend to sleep a bit longer than I would have without the LDN. My reaction is quite mundane compared to many patients and I rate LDN as a central and largely safe treatment for ME/CFS.
When I wrote this article almost 7 years ago, LDN was considered quite experimental for ME/CFS however it has now become more widespread in its usage and there is lots of much better info on the internet about it. Good luck if you try it!
Hi, I have been on LDN 1.5mg now for 4 days and have not noticed much so far except for a slight migraine.I get 100 tablets for $70 at chemist king. I also take 5mg of ENDEP around 7pm and then the LDN around 10pm. I am hoping my sleep will improve and give me more energy throughout the day. Just like yourself the licorice does help but what helps me the most is 50mg of flush Niacin every couple of hours (200 tabs for about $9) with energy/motivation levels. I also do IV gluta, vitamin C, myers cocktail once a week but without much positive effect. In regards to blood tests I noticed that my IGG and WBC count improved by about 50% after 4 months on doxy with regular IV’s but unfortunately my energy levels did not improve. I have also just started L serine which I intend to ramp up from 500mg a day to 2000mg. I’ll keep in touch…all the best.
@Nick
I really hope the LDN does something for you. I’ve read that it can take anywhere from a day to a couple of months to notice effects (I can’t remember when I noticed mine- it was so long ago that I started it!) I’ve also read that any negative side effects often go away after several days so I hope your migraine dissipates.
I’m interested in your niacin treatment plus the fact that taking it regularly throughout the day benefits you the most. I’ll do some more reading about this. I’m happy to hear that your IgG and WBC counts have improved, even if the symptoms haven’t.
Please let me know how the L-serine goes for you. It doesn’t seem to be a widely used ME/CFS treatment like many other, yet its safety record and remarkable specialist clinical effects make it in my opinion one of the most underutilised ME/CFS treatments.
Thanks for the update, and I wish you the best of luck with all your treatments!
Thank you for your thorough and scientific approach to your blog and cfs! It’s impressive, having experienced the brain fog myself.
Thanks for the kind words!